305 - The One Word Reply That Drives Them Nuts

That sick jolt in your chest when her name lights up your phone isn’t random. We know exactly what it is: a trigger that pushes good dads into “explaining,” and then into messages that can be twisted into court exhibits. We slow that moment down and replace it with a communication strategy that protects your peace and your parenting time.

We walk through the Grey Rock Method for high-conflict divorce communication: how to become emotionally unrewarding, keep replies short and neutral, and stop feeding the fire with long defenses. We also unpack the psychology behind emotional extraction and “narcissistic supply” so you understand why the conflict keeps looping, even when you bring facts, logic, and good intentions. If you’ve ever thought, “If I just explain it clearly, she’ll finally get it,” this conversation shows why that approach backfires.

Then we connect it to the reality of family court. When decisions run on preponderance of evidence, the calmest parent often wins the narrative. We share practical scripts for common traps, explain a “yellow rock” variation for false accusations, and warn you about the extinction burst when you change the pattern, and the other side escalates. We also zoom out to parallel parenting as the long-term infrastructure: fewer points of contact, tighter orders, and fewer loopholes for conflict to exploit.

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Transcript

The Adrenaline Spike From Texts

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Hello, dads, and welcome back to this week's show and this week's briefing. And I want you to just pause here for a minute while you're listening to this and think about the last message that could be the text message, that could be the talking parents, our family wizard, whatever app you're using message. It could be an email message you received from your ex or your soon-to-be ex. Just want you to get that in your mind. Think about it for a second, and then think about that feeling in your chest when you got the notice for that. It could have been the email popping up, it could have been the notification on your on your phone, which I highly recommend turning off and being intentional about pulling this stuff up. But that's a whole nother episode we're going to talk about. But I want you to think about that because I want you to feel that immediate spike in adrenaline that you got. And you probably got it again right now in just thinking about it or thinking about the subject of what that message might have been. And that spike in adrenaline, that urge to defend yourself, to correct the lie she just told you, or to explain one more time why she's being unreasonable, is what that adrenaline spike is. And today, what we're going to do, so well, first, let me just uh let me just let me just tell you the origin of this is on our on our tactical group meeting yesterday, we had a long conversation about the this topic today that we're going to talk about. And and we talked about some strategies around it. And one particular strategy we talked in in real specific detail about. And so I want to mention if you were if you're not part of the divorced advocates command center yet, get involved in that because we have all of these meetings. And and the other part of that is if you can't if you cannot get to one of the meetings, all of the replays are in here. And that's where the real gold is. Every uh every guy that that comes into the community can has access to years of recordings of these meetings. And we go into it. It is literally coaching for you to listen to these without having to pay for coaching, right? So you listen to these, we go into specific detail. Different guys will bring up different things and we'll and we'll talk through specific strategies around how to do that. So check that out under the command center tab at the website at thedivorced advocate.com. So, what we're gonna do today, though, is we're going to dismantle that biological urge to explain yourself. We're gonna talk about a this communication strategy that we talked about in our in our group meeting yesterday that might feel like a surrender, but it's actually a a high, a very high-level tactical weapon that you can that you can use. It's very simple, it's very straightforward. It's called the gray rock method. There's also an alternative to that called the the yellow rock method. We'll we'll get into that a little bit as well. And if you've spent some time in high conflict divorce with a coach or maybe reading some stuff online, you've probably heard about this term. The challenge is that most dads get the concept of this wrong and get the application of it wrong as well. They think that it's about being mean or cold or or cold-hearted or negative, and it's not any of that. All it is, it's just simply an intentional, systematic reduction of emotion designed to cut off the oxygen to a fire that is trying to consume your life. So if you want to, if you want to put out a fire in in real life, like a campfire or something, you the fire can't have oxygen, right? So when you're making a fire, you want it to be able to breathe. You put the logs spaced uh in in in spaced out so that air can generate through there and flow through there and get the oxygen, and that makes the fire bigger, right? As opposed to pulling it together. So what we want to do is we want to intentionally remove that emotion because that emotion is what gives oxygen to to the fire in high conflict communications. It and so this method is about becoming as dull, as boring, as flat, and as emotionally unrewarding. So there's a difference. Not not that you can't have emotions, and we're gonna talk about this too, but you're going to become emotionally unrewarding to the other person. As emotionally unrewarding as a single gray rock on a beach of thousands of rocks or on a hike. The the analogy I gave yesterday is when I go hiking with my daughters, and when they were much younger, we'd be hiking and they'd find shiny, pretty rocks, and they'd collect them and bring them home. Never ever did they bring home a gray, boring, dull rock, right? Every time they brought a rock home, it was something that was shiny and sparkly or interest like interesting. So that's the whole concept of it is you want to be that gray rock. And so, gentlemen, being unprepared for these interactions, this is what is is what gets you baited into making mistakes. And you can be a great father and make these mistakes, and this is what this is what ends up showing up in court, might be restricting your parent time, whatever it is. So today we're gonna make sure you have the armor to stay active and present in your kiddos' lives. Let's talk about the psychology of the extraction. In order to use this gray rock method effectively, you need to understand what you're up against. You're you aren't just dealing with a difficult person. And and guys, I know a lot of you are listening and you're not in high conflict, and hopefully you don't stay in or you don't ever get into high conflict. But even if you are not or you're not yet in high conflict, this type of communication can help you, especially, especially during the divorce process where the stakes are so high. You can adjust this after, but this is just a great way to or a great method to adopt going through this. In a high conflict divorce, you're most likely dealing with a person who relies on something called narcissistic supply. That's the oxygen that I was talking about. Now, we're not I'm not here, I'm not a therapist, we're not we're not diagnosing anybody with personality disorders, but the the high conflict divorces only take one or the other person to make it high conflict. In the majority of those, there is somebody with the at the very least significant mental emotional issues. At the worst, full-blown personality disorders. And full somebody with a full-blown personality disorder usually is not diagnosed because they won't get diagnosed. So this is we're we're using this term because this term is what is used in, you know, is is used in the the professional arenas on how to understand the the supply and the demand. And we did talk about the narcissistic supply on the on the call this weekend. But dads, even if you don't think and and and I'm sorry, I'm I'm gonna I'm sorry to tell you, lots of you are in denial uh uh about whether or not your soon-to-be act does have some kind of mental emotional issue. And there's if you get on these calls, if you get on the calls with us on on the the the tactical group calls on the second and fourth Saturday of the of the month, then we've got guys that have been in this community for for years and years. They're gonna help you to identify the the the fact that that you might be a little bit deluded on that on that fact. We it happened yesterday with with one of the guys too, and and that's not a bad thing because we are lovingly trying to help you to to pay attention to stuff that is really potentially going to uh damage your ability to parent and to have the parental authority with your with your parents. So these guys are terrific, and they've uh all of them have been through some sort of ringer or another and have come out on the other end bigger and better and stronger. That's why they keep coming back. They're not paid. These guys keep coming back to share and and help you guys. So so you know, guys, jump on the calls, is is is the point being. You might you might be hopeful, you might be deluded. I don't know. We'll talk through it on those calls. But let's get back to the the to the narcissistic supply. Think of the supply as that emotional fuel, right? That oxygen to the fire. High conflict personalities, especially those with narcissistic traits or other personality disorders, need your reaction to regulate their own self-importance. Okay, so again, we're not we're talking about the traits of somebody and the behaviors of somebody. We're not talking whether they're good or bad because they have this uh issue or these narcissistic traits. These just are the behaviors that they exhibit. And they need your reaction to regulate their own self-importance. They don't care if that reaction is positive or negative, right? Like typically you want somebody, you want, you want to somebody, somebody that's healthy wants a positive reaction to what they're doing in order to feel better. That's not the case with with these individuals. They don't care if that reaction is positive or negative. If you're happy, they can take credit for it or ruin it. If you're angry, they can use it to feel powerful or to pathologize you as the quote-unquote unstable one in court. So your anger or your tears or your 10-paragraph explanation, these are all supply for them. They're the currency that she'll use to keep the conflict alive. Uh, and and I just want to say lots of times, guys, and and this was the case for me, I didn't understand and I did not know the relational dynamic that was going on, and that this was in fact the case. And it actually took interactions like the meetings. I didn't have a meeting like this, uh, unfortunately, when I was going through my divorce, but it took other people pointing some of this stuff out to me in order for me to wake up to what that relational dynamic was in order to start understanding it, to uh start implementing skills, to stop it, and then go forward. And then that's what happened. So that's why these group calls, these group calls and these group meetings are really terrific because you've got another like the one guy said yesterday, he's like, in the four minutes you just described to me, I can pretty much tell you, I can, you know, looking at it from the outside in, that you know, here are some things you might want to consider about your relational dynamic, right? Uh so the gray rocking then is about devaluing that currency until it is completely worthless. And once it is completely worthless, it it doesn't do anything anymore. It doesn't impact you, it doesn't impact the the case, doesn't impact your kiddos. You're removing yourself as a viable target for emotional extraction. When there is no emotional payoff for them, the interaction eventually loses its momentum. So what you're doing is you're choosing to be boring enough to be safe. That's what it comes down to. Choosing to be boring enough to be safe. So why let's let's let's talk about here for a moment why restraint is a legal weapon and and why this why this is mission critical for your legal case. Because you might be thinking, okay, great, yeah, this might help, etc. This is and again, this is for guys in conflict or not in conflict, or not yet in conflict, because you need to know this and and how this can or will not impact your your case. We you hear me talk about the 51% rule pretty much every single week. And that is that the family court operates on a preponderance of evidence, not clear and convincing evidence, preponderance of evidence, that 1% that is going to sway your case one way or another. And in that system, the judge is looking for smoke, right? I'm going to describe it as smoke. Where there's where there's smoke, there's a fire, right? That whole kind of mentality. And so when she's sending you a baiting text at 10 p.m. saying you're a deadbeat or a terrible father, or this week I heard you're a sperm donor, like she's setting a trap. She's trying to get an emotional response for you, right? And if you respond with, how could you say that? I paid every bill, I'm with the kids every second, I'm allowed. Da-da-da-da. You just handed her exactly what she needs. She won't show the judge her insult. She'll screenshot your reactive emotional defense and present it as evidence of your instability or your aggression, right? And I know you're saying, okay, well, but you all I got to do is show the full context of this as evidence, and and then I can justify what it was that she screenshotted. The problem with that, guys, is that she's gonna send a hundred of these different messages or examples to the court because what they're doing is looking for 1%, just swaying the judge 1% more than you. So if they do a hundred of them and you've got a hundred responses to these, the judges and the magistrates, they're not gonna look into this in detail. They're gonna go, hmm, hundred, that's smoke. You know, maybe there's a fire. That's your one percent. You lose. Okay. And and and dads that aren't in high conflict, same same thing, guys, because it can go immediately into high conflict, and then there's a hundred of these, and then you're screwed. So pay attention to this. In this 51% system, the person who remains the calmest is the person who wins the narrative. If you use the gray rock method, your communication record becomes a mountain of boring, stable, child-focused data. That's all you want to ever show up in court. A mountain of boring, stable, child-focused data. And when the judge looks at your talking parents or your R Family Wizard logs and sees 50 messages from her that are vitriolic and personal and attacking you, and 50 responses from you that say, okay, or no, or I'll have the kids ready at four. The smoke in the room is clearly coming from one side, and that is her side. So this can work in your favor. Your restraint makes her manufactured narrative impossible to maintain. So let's talk about the language of Gray Rock. And let's I'm gonna give you just a few details. You can you can Google this and uh or AI it and come up with some, and there's a whole there's all kinds of information out there on this. So if you want to get into more detail or join one of our calls because we talk about specific examples, but basically, gray rocking it comes down to being a performance, it's an intentional reduction of your personality during interactions with a toxic person. Now, it doesn't mean that you're gonna do this all the time, but I think maybe, and we talked about this again yesterday, you might find that this is gonna be beneficial for you in more parts of your life than maybe just this toxic person in your relationship. You might need to implement this in other places because that reactive state that you're in and that emotional state that you get in when you do this probably is permeating to other places of your life. But anyway, that's a that's a realization I'll leave for you to figure out. But great rocking, it means giving short, non-committal, one-word answers. It means keeping your face blank and your full and your voice just monotone, just like that. No ups and downs. Not how you're usually listening to me talk on every one of these podcasts. You're gonna keep it monotone. So here's your tactical script for a few common traps. The first being that character one that I used as an example earlier. That trap is you've always been selfish. You're just like your father. You don't even care about the kids. So she's throwing bombs, right? The gray rock, the the gray rock response can be as simple as okay, that's it. Or I hear you. That's it. You're not doing anything, you're not defending your your character, you're not justifying anything, you're not defending yourself, you're not doing anything. You look, you cannot prove your worth as someone who's committed to to misunderstanding you or misrepresenting you. And if you start to defend, you lose. And this is what happens all the time, especially if you've been in that relational dynamic where you've been doing this for most of your marriage. It's gonna be real hard for you to just have that come at you because you're used to engaging in this and it's been a relational dynamic, and she says something, and you engage back like so. You're gonna have you're gonna have to be consciously aware that you need to stop doing this and get and practice. Practice writing those down, practice okay, practice okay, no, practice, I hear you. You can go through, you can find a list of of just one-liners that you can that you can use in these circumstances and and then get those into your repertoire. Another example, like if you're you're doing something like the like like personal activities. The the trap is so who were you with this weekend? The kid said you were at a restaurant. I hope you aren't wasting our money on your new girlfriend. Again, trying to goad you into something, trying to get information about your personal life, right? You don't have to justify, you don't have to defend, you don't have to do anything. The gray rock response is I had a good weekend. I'll have the kids ready by four o'clock. That's it. Like, nothing else. You don't you owe her zero information about your personal life, you owe her zero information about your wins, you owe her zero information about your plans. Gentlemen, you are no longer married to her, or you are no longer going to be married to her. If you're not quite divorced yet, start this now because even during the divorce, she does not, you don't owe her any information about what your life is now. Okay, sharing that information gives her a handle to grab onto to pull you back into the conflict, which is exactly what you don't want. Final final example the the false narrative in the and the gaslighting. The trap is you told me you pay for the soccer cleats. Now you're backing out because you're cheap. The gray rock, again, see, trying to goad you into something. The gray rock's response is I see it differently. Here's the copy of the receipt I already sent. And why this works is you're not debating the truth. State the fact, provide the documentation, and stop talking. So actually, there's gonna be one more example, but I wanted to stop here and I wanted to talk. Talk about the uh the yellow rock, which is kind of a variation. And one of the guys in our group talks about this yellow rock, which is basically what it is, it's the gray rock, but you're taking a little bit of yellow and you're you're coloring in an accusation like this. So if it's a false accusation, a false narrative, something like that, you don't need to go into defending yourself from a from a moral perspective, because this person is never going to see that. They're just looking for conflict. But you might want to make it clear, especially if courts are reading this, that it that you're that it is a narrative that she's creating. So so the the example that we gave yesterday was your your attempt to portray me in a negative light is noted. And then, you know, thank you or no, or you know, in this particular example, this particular example, uh, I see it differently. Here's the copy of the receipt I already sent. Like, you know, you're just gonna you're just gonna put that caveat of your attempt to portray me negatively is noted. Because you just want to point out the fact that they're doing they're creating a narrative and doing something. I, you know, it's a fine line if you want to do something like that or or not. It doesn't, it doesn't hurt uh to to do that. Just don't take it any further than that. Don't start defending yourself, don't start justifying, just use the facts, don't debate the truth, just state the fact, provide the documentation, stop talking. Okay. So let me just give you a warning though, that when you start gray rocking, things are going to get worse before they get better. Think about that relational dynamic that I described earlier. This has been something that has been happening for years and years and years. You've been in this dynamic with this person and they're used to it. Okay, and it's gonna get worse because you're gonna stop and you're gonna you're gonna do a pattern interrupt here. And then and then this is what the psychologists call it an extinction burst. When this high conflict person then realizes their old tools don't work anymore, and they realize they can't get a rise out of you, they'll often double down and triple down and quadruple down. They will escalate the insults, they'll involve the children, unfortunately. They may even launch a silver bullet, false allegation to force you into a reaction. And this is the most dangerous window in your divorce. This is where you absolutely positively have to have a strategic defense blueprint and a strategy for when this happens. Because listen to the previous episodes, we talk about the silver bullet, these false allegations. You're you are up against a biased system that views you as guilty until you prove yourself innocent. So you've got to have a strategic defense in place. You must re continue to remain that rock because if you blow up now, you're going to validate everything she's been saying. So you may have been great with this and great with this until the false allegation, and then you blow up, and I see it all the time, and it takes one incident. I got it takes one incident, and then it's, oh, this is a domestic violence case. Well, no, it's not a domestic violence. There's no history of domestic violence, but the court then starts talking about this. This becomes her narrative, and then it becomes domestic violence. And it's not, it's she poked the bear a hundred times. If you poke the bear a hundred times, the bear's bound to lash out at one point, right? But you cannot lash out because you're gonna be you're going to be labeled as something that that you're not. So, so keep it neutral. If you stay neutral, you prove that her escalation, and look, she's not gonna stop, right? She's not gonna she's not gonna stop. You'll prove that her escalation is unilateral and you will not give her the ammunition for that narrative. That's why you should never be alone with her, also during this phase. So once this starts happening, you're gonna notice there's there's gonna be escalations. The unfortunate thing is lots of guys come to me after this has already happened, and then we're dealing with all of this, these false allegations, the silver bullet attempt, the narrative, the time without the kids, the print, the it might be all the way into parental alienation or at least pre-alienation. Like, so if you're listening again, guys that are not in high conflict, this is important information for you to have too, because it's not high conflict until it is. And you won't have a choice if it does become high conflict, unless you implement some stuff like this, and you just are very, very, very careful. But even I've I've I've dealt with lots and lots of guys who are very careful. A false allegation doesn't need anything, it's just a false allegation. I see it happen all of the time with uh in in cases and with somebody who is mentally and emotionally unstable. So so when you start to see this escalating and start feeling and it must the escalations might be small. It might be like it's a bigger, just a little bit of a worse or bigger insult, or more emotionally or a more cutting insult, right? Or it might be something where she's utilizing the kids or undermining you with the kids. There's all kinds of different red flags. We talk about these in the meetings and in coaching. I talk about these too. But it's all it's why you should not be alone with her during this phase. Every interaction, every handoff should be in public, in recorded spaces, or you should be recording. And all communication absolutely needs to stay on whatever app you're using. I want to I want to talk about the briefly the the long-term infrastructure of this gray rock communicating tool. Parallel parenting is that long-term infrastructure. The gray rocking is the communication tool, but parallel parenting is the long-term infrastructure. In a healthy divorce, people co-parent. They talk about parenting styles, they share schedules, they're flexible, they communicate, they collaborate, they compromise all of those things. But co-parenting is only possible when both parents are reasonable. And in this high, in a high conflict situation, trying to co-parent is an invitation to constant abuse. And so that's where parallel parenting comes in. And and I'm I'll give you a definition. Go back. I've got at least a couple of a couple of episodes on the difference between co-parenting and parallel parenting. I think I have one actually with uh with a with a therapist as well, where we talk about it. But what parallel parenting is, is your house, your rules. You don't ask for her permission on how you parent during your time, and you don't offer advice on hers. What you're doing is you're minimizing contact. Your communication is limited to just logistics, just health, education, welfare, detailed schedules. You don't rely on flexibility, you rely on it on the court order, the agreed-upon court order that has zero loopholes, hopefully, if you did it right. And if you didn't, hopefully you're working with a coach and somebody that's helping you to put that together. Because your attorney, let me just make a point. Your attorney is not the one to look for all of these loopholes with somebody who's high conflict. They've got a board, a boilerplate one that they typically use. And I see all of the time that it is missing all kinds of very specific details and loopholes that then become giant places where high conflict people will exploit them. And so at the at the very least, work with somebody. There's some folks out there that that just help do parenting plans. I help do that in in coaching as as well. It's one of the the parts that that we work through, but you've got to have this airtight, all your I's dotted, all your T's crossed. And it might feel crazy and difficult going through it, but I promise you, if you do this, it is going to save you so much time, so much effort, and so much money. Because what's going to happen is you're going to end up back in court trying to resolve these or resolving conflict non-stop through attorneys because the parenting plan was not specific and the and the divorce decree was not very specific. So back to the parallel panting. So just make sure to do that. And it you might think the attorneys are the ones to do this. They're not. I'm sorry. They do not know all that. They do not know everything about the the financial transactions, how to how to separate property, how to property, how to how to properly uh prepare you to decouple or to separate the the real estate for one of you to take over the real like there's so many parts. They know the legal process, dads. They know how to get you filed in court, how to talk to the judges, how to have to go to hearing if necessary. They don't know. They have some experience. Some of them have more, some of them have less, but even the ones that have a lot of experience I've seen screw stuff up immensely. So just know they're not the ones that are going to help you to figure this out. You need to have your team together, which includes a coach, a therapist, financial planners, you know, consultants, maybe mortgage consultants, et cetera. Okay. Back to parallel parenting. What this does is it shields the children from the conflict by removing the need for you and your ex to interact, right? So you got one side that needs the oxygen uh to in to uh feed that uh that conflict. If you're parallel parenting, you are in you are removing the amount of interactions that you're having, which takes that oxygen away. There will be less conflict. This shields your kiddos from from some of that. It doesn't mean that she's not going to keep doing it. And it allows you to be the protective guide your kids need without the constant interference of a high conflict opponent going on. So I know this might sound lonely, dads, and it is, and I and I know it might also feel like you're losing your voice, but it's it's not. You need if it if it's feeling lonely and you feel like you're losing your voice, you need to get in involved in a in a group like the divorced advocate community or another group, because that's where you can talk about these grievances or these challenges, et cetera, and have that voice. Having that voice with somebody who's high conflict that can make your life hell in a system that is going to actually reward that, uh, is not where you're going to have your voice and it's not going to help you out. Okay. There is massive power in the silence. When you stop looking for the validation from someone who wants to destroy you, you regain the energy to lead your children. The gray rock method is not about being a victim. And let's just get straight, guys. We're not victims, okay? You only choose to be a victim. The gray rock method is about being the commander of your own emotional state. It's about building a forensic paper trail of stability that a judge cannot ignore. It's about ensuring that your temporary mistakes do not become your per your permanent reality. So your mission for this week stop explaining. No explaining, no justifying, no defending. That's it. The next time she sends you a baiting text, your response is okay, period. Also, no period is a full sentence and a full answer. If the message doesn't require a logistical answer, you don't respond at all. No response is actually a response, guys. So you don't have to even respond to some of this. Go to the website, take the weekend visitor risk assessment. This is your second part of this, okay? After after stop explaining. Take the weekend visitor risk assessment. Identify where your need to quote, correct the record, end quote, has left you exposed to strategic drift. This this will help you to identify kind of where you're at mentally and emotionally and what your reactive state is. That's what it's set up. That's what it's set up for. Actually, the this is created by and adapted from a survey from a clinical psychologist. So it will help you to identify the areas where you are trying to do some of this stuff. All right, gentlemen, stay start, stay sharp, stay strong, stay boring. This week, stay boring. Your kids are counting on you. If you found some value in this, please share it far and wide on social media. It's helping helping us get more guys involved in the community, getting the information that they need. Give us a star rating on whatever podcast platform or whatever platform you're listening or watching this on. Give us comments. Comments supercharge the algorithm, and other dads look at them as to whether to tune in and get information. Thank you so much. Stay strong. God bless you.